Comments for SQJ Taipei http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei Mr. & Mrs. SQJ... 4 kids... several fish... this is our life... Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:54:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 Comment on Mark Driscoll takes The Shack to the Woodshed by Mike Dixon http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/05/06/mark-driscoll-takes-the-shack-to-the-woodshed/#comment-4484 Mike Dixon Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:25:59 +0000 http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/05/06/mark-driscoll-takes-the-shack-to-the-woodshed/#comment-4484 I agree with those who think Driscoll has missed the point about a book of fiction. Art can be a great medium to reach people with basic ideas of love and truth and forgiveness. I see no graven image here, artistic images, but not graven images. And as it has already been noted, Driscoll does not mention the "manly" image of Papa later in the book. Also, it appeared to me that Papa was the "greater among equals" in Young's trinitarian images. Afterall, Papa seemed to be the one who controlled the situation for the most part. I do wonder, however, if Driscoll was also reacting to the "free will" that is described in the book, which certainly counters his Calvinism? To say the least, I am very disappointed in Driscoll's reaction, both in content and in presentation. I agree with those who think Driscoll has missed the point about a book of fiction. Art can be a great medium to reach people with basic ideas of love and truth and forgiveness. I see no graven image here, artistic images, but not graven images. And as it has already been noted, Driscoll does not mention the “manly” image of Papa later in the book. Also, it appeared to me that Papa was the “greater among equals” in Young’s trinitarian images. Afterall, Papa seemed to be the one who controlled the situation for the most part. I do wonder, however, if Driscoll was also reacting to the “free will” that is described in the book, which certainly counters his Calvinism? To say the least, I am very disappointed in Driscoll’s reaction, both in content and in presentation.

]]> Comment on Mark Driscoll takes The Shack to the Woodshed by Jory http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/05/06/mark-driscoll-takes-the-shack-to-the-woodshed/#comment-4481 Jory Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:32:55 +0000 http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/05/06/mark-driscoll-takes-the-shack-to-the-woodshed/#comment-4481 ok that video is ******** excuse my language but this is a book of FICTION he was writing for hes KIDS to show HIS OWN views of god. he isnt trying to explain the trinity or anything he was just trying to explain to his kis what his view is. This Driscoll Guy is a joke he may have read the book or whatever but maybe he should read up on the facts. it was for his kids! for god sake people give it a break, W.P. paul young had no intentions of ever publishing a book. it was just a hobbie of his. you can think what you want but i think it was an amazing book that opens your eyes to a broader horizon. It helps you TRY to understand the trinity of god. Driscoll said its in the bible that its wrong to portray a image of god. Well what about the bible. it itself is a image of god protrayed in itself. god didn't write the bible, sinners did. there are so many versions of the bible because there are so many different versions or ways people have portrayed the story of god. its been passed down for thousands of years so your preachin to the wrong choir. <em>edited for language by SQJ - I don't care what language you use in private but that language is certainly NOT excused (as per your request) when used here. I'll reluctantly post your comment, but I'd like to note that this conversation has been VERY civil and productive up to this point.</em> ok that video is ******** excuse my language but this is a book of FICTION he was writing for hes KIDS to show HIS OWN views of god. he isnt trying to explain the trinity or anything he was just trying to explain to his kis what his view is. This Driscoll Guy is a joke he may have read the book or whatever but maybe he should read up on the facts. it was for his kids! for god sake people give it a break, W.P. paul young had no intentions of ever publishing a book. it was just a hobbie of his. you can think what you want but i think it was an amazing book that opens your eyes to a broader horizon. It helps you TRY to understand the trinity of god. Driscoll said its in the bible that its wrong to portray a image of god. Well what about the bible. it itself is a image of god protrayed in itself. god didn’t write the bible, sinners did. there are so many versions of the bible because there are so many different versions or ways people have portrayed the story of god. its been passed down for thousands of years so your preachin to the wrong choir.

edited for language by SQJ - I don’t care what language you use in private but that language is certainly NOT excused (as per your request) when used here. I’ll reluctantly post your comment, but I’d like to note that this conversation has been VERY civil and productive up to this point.

]]> Comment on Mark Driscoll takes The Shack to the Woodshed by Joseph http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/05/06/mark-driscoll-takes-the-shack-to-the-woodshed/#comment-4475 Joseph Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:00:49 +0000 http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/05/06/mark-driscoll-takes-the-shack-to-the-woodshed/#comment-4475 Ultimately, it is not our feeble minded opinions that matter. We as Christians are to pray through these types of issues. I do think books like the shack and Harry Potter can be dangerous (bring on the attacks). This is the 1st blog post i have ever done in my life. Mainly because i see little to no fruit associated with blogging, and think it is another way for us to gossip (otherwise know as sin) about those who God has placed in authority (like Mark Driscoll, Barrack Obama, or whomever else). Too many times we as believers voice our opinions against certain issues (or pastors in this case) because we individually don't like the idea that something we're doing is wrong. It's called pride. It corrupted the very heart of both Adam and Eve. SO, why i don't blog? because most likely someone will after me post a rude or arrogant remark concerning the words i have brought to the table. We as Christians need a hell of a lot more discernment. We need to quit doing what others do or suggest, and pray about our decisions. Why? Because it is commanded of us in scripture (1 Thessalonians 5:17). This verse instructs the christian to continue in prayer as to EVERY decision they face.....including the reading of some book. Ultimately, it is not our feeble minded opinions that matter. We as Christians are to pray through these types of issues. I do think books like the shack and Harry Potter can be dangerous (bring on the attacks). This is the 1st blog post i have ever done in my life. Mainly because i see little to no fruit associated with blogging, and think it is another way for us to gossip (otherwise know as sin) about those who God has placed in authority (like Mark Driscoll, Barrack Obama, or whomever else).

Too many times we as believers voice our opinions against certain issues (or pastors in this case) because we individually don’t like the idea that something we’re doing is wrong. It’s called pride. It corrupted the very heart of both Adam and Eve.

SO, why i don’t blog? because most likely someone will after me post a rude or arrogant remark concerning the words i have brought to the table. We as Christians need a hell of a lot more discernment. We need to quit doing what others do or suggest, and pray about our decisions. Why?

Because it is commanded of us in scripture (1 Thessalonians 5:17). This verse instructs the christian to continue in prayer as to EVERY decision they face…..including the reading of some book.

]]> Comment on Church Planting Resources - #1 by Jason http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2005/12/17/church-planting-resources-1/#comment-4472 Jason Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:57:09 +0000 http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/?p=42#comment-4472 Sorry, after finishing the first paragraph I see that you indeed do not have the book. Give me your address and I will see if I can send you a copy. Sorry, after finishing the first paragraph I see that you indeed do not have the book. Give me your address and I will see if I can send you a copy.

]]> Comment on Church Planting Resources - #1 by Jason http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2005/12/17/church-planting-resources-1/#comment-4471 Jason Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:54:54 +0000 http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/?p=42#comment-4471 Do you have the book "Church Planting Movements" that Garrison wrote a couple of years after the booklet? It goes into much greater detail. Do you have the book “Church Planting Movements” that Garrison wrote a couple of years after the booklet? It goes into much greater detail.

]]> Comment on Did Jesus Have Siblings? by Darren Petrie http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/10/22/did-jesus-have-siblings/#comment-4470 Darren Petrie Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:58:07 +0000 http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/10/22/did-jesus-have-siblings/#comment-4470 K.I.S.S. The answer is yes. K.I.S.S.

The answer is yes.

]]> Comment on Mark Driscoll takes The Shack to the Woodshed by howie http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/05/06/mark-driscoll-takes-the-shack-to-the-woodshed/#comment-4457 howie Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:41:08 +0000 http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/05/06/mark-driscoll-takes-the-shack-to-the-woodshed/#comment-4457 those of you who think that Driscoll didn't read the book before critiquing it, I hope you asked him personally before assuming because that guy reads like there's no tomorrow. I have not read the book, so I am not going to comment about it. I have, however, been a Driscoll follower for some time now and would simply warn those of you who criticize his character. Yes, his style is rough at times but his consistent service to God and the church, as well as his success as a pastor gives him every right to criticize a book that, in his view, is dangerous to the Christian. He is looking out for you. Don't jump to criticize and assume things unless you are sure. those of you who think that Driscoll didn’t read the book before critiquing it, I hope you asked him personally before assuming because that guy reads like there’s no tomorrow.
I have not read the book, so I am not going to comment about it. I have, however, been a Driscoll follower for some time now and would simply warn those of you who criticize his character. Yes, his style is rough at times but his consistent service to God and the church, as well as his success as a pastor gives him every right to criticize a book that, in his view, is dangerous to the Christian. He is looking out for you. Don’t jump to criticize and assume things unless you are sure.

]]> Comment on Pizza Recommendation: 5 Loaves 2 Fishes by joanh http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/10/23/pizza-recommendation-5-loaves-2-fishes/#comment-4436 joanh Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:56:08 +0000 http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/10/23/pizza-recommendation-5-loaves-2-fishes/#comment-4436 hi! thanks for the mention and the compliment! this place is called 5 loaves and 4 fishes? hahaah. it sounds like it was good! i will have to check it out! hope to hear from you on the blog if you ever see anything good. :) hi! thanks for the mention and the compliment! this place is called 5 loaves and 4 fishes? hahaah. it sounds like it was good! i will have to check it out! hope to hear from you on the blog if you ever see anything good. :)

]]> Comment on Mark Driscoll takes The Shack to the Woodshed by Sam http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/05/06/mark-driscoll-takes-the-shack-to-the-woodshed/#comment-4431 Sam Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:07:32 +0000 http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/05/06/mark-driscoll-takes-the-shack-to-the-woodshed/#comment-4431 The Bible (Romans??) talks about some people who can handle some things and others for which the same things are sin. I understand if Mark and others could feel that reading it for themselves is sin - it very likely is. But just like playing cards, watching tv on sunday, and wearing anklets - it may not be wrong for others. Having been brought up with a deep disgust of the blasphemous, i read wearily. NO, i did not finish the book and say 'oh yay, i now understand the trinity.' Just as i did not finish reading 'the great divorce' by C.S. Lewis and think, 'oh wow, that must be wat heaven's like.' Neither, might i add, did suddenly believe The Almighty God was a woman! But as for that, if any of the criticizers were young girls with father's like mine, they might have seen it a little differently. Who needs another father figure after what we've had. I hope they all have read it before criticizing it though. Because Papa explains the reason He showed himself as a woman and eventually takes masculine form when mac can handle it. Don't be so quick to judge ... The Bible (Romans??) talks about some people who can handle some things and others for which the same things are sin.
I understand if Mark and others could feel that reading it for themselves is sin - it very likely is. But just like playing cards, watching tv on sunday, and wearing anklets - it may not be wrong for others.
Having been brought up with a deep disgust of the blasphemous, i read wearily.
NO, i did not finish the book and say ‘oh yay, i now understand the trinity.’ Just as i did not finish reading ‘the great divorce’ by C.S. Lewis and think, ‘oh wow, that must be wat heaven’s like.’ Neither, might i add, did suddenly believe The Almighty God was a woman! But as for that, if any of the criticizers were young girls with father’s like mine, they might have seen it a little differently. Who needs another father figure after what we’ve had.
I hope they all have read it before criticizing it though. Because Papa explains the reason He showed himself as a woman and eventually takes masculine form when mac can handle it.
Don’t be so quick to judge …

]]> Comment on Did Jesus Have Siblings? by Saturday, October 25, 2008 » don furnaloni http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/10/22/did-jesus-have-siblings/#comment-4421 Saturday, October 25, 2008 » don furnaloni Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:58:14 +0000 http://pagels.teamexpansion.org/sqjtaipei/2008/10/22/did-jesus-have-siblings/#comment-4421 [...] recent blog exchange about The Virgin Mary at SQJTaipei, caused me to recommend a book to him that upon later reflection I felt several others of you could [...] [...] recent blog exchange about The Virgin Mary at SQJTaipei, caused me to recommend a book to him that upon later reflection I felt several others of you could [...]

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